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Looking pretty good so far I think. Although cut stones seems a little high at 400 in comparison to 250 gravel. Both need stones to be dug, but 250 gravel is much easier to process than 400 cut stones. 1 stone on 1 saw = 3 mins. I appreciate you would use alot more than 1 saw, but even using 10 saws, will be 2 hours solid work, 250 gravel will be 4 or 5 stones in say 30 mins. I don't want to upset the apple cart, but a tweak to reduce the number of cut stones per point will be closer imho - Darwishi.

Looking at the labor for casting boxes, it appears that 200 minutes for the small gears are worth the same points for 500 minutes for the medium gears, it's a huge difference no? - Kazemaho

A note on complete and partial donations

Part 1

Suppose Yendor happens to have 10,000 concrete just sitting around. Great, donate to the guild, right? Somewhere toward the bottom is the task to turn 10,000 gravel to concrete for a point.

But that point is based on using guild-supplied raw materials. If Yendor donates a completed item (rather than just the labor to complete it using guild supply), he should also claim credit for all the raw materials that would otherwise be needed. In this case, the 10,000 concrete means Yendor also gets credit for 10,000 smashed gravel (40 points!) and 200 stones (8 points). Yendor would also have been able to claim credit for 600 cement, except that those have already been pledged.

Claiming things in this way is good not merely to boost your own point totals -- if Yendor failed to claim his points, then our guild collectively would spend its energy smashing up 10,000 unneeded gravel instead of more urgent tasks. If you think it is manifestly unfair to give yourself 49 points instead of 1, then at a minimum remove the raw materials from the manifests. Guild elders and kinsmen will be happy to explain our assumptions (such as 1 medium = 50 gravel) or even update the wiki for you (But please ask explicitly; if you just say "I donated 10,000 concrete" we're more likely to say "Outstanding!" than actually edit pages)

Part 2

Now suppose Yendor only has 500 concrete. It was made with 30 cement and 500 gravel which came from 10 or so medium stones.

The gravel is easy -- 2 sets of 250. The cement is easy in a different way -- already assigned, no points for Yendor. But the remaining issues are more interesting; Yendor has supplied 10 medium stones worth of items, but 25 are needed for a point. Yendor has supplied (or purchased) labor to turn 500 gravel to concrete, but 10,000 are needed for a point. These are partial donations.

Yendor has two choices for resolving partial donations. He can eitehr increase his donation to claim the point, or update the wiki reducing the remaining effort needed. Perhaps Yendor will decide to donate 15 medium stones as well. He may now claim credit for 25 medium stones (those 15 plus 10 stones worth in the concrete).

Yendor could pull out 9500 gravel and some cement from guild stores and spend some time to claim the mix 10,000 gravel to concrete poit as well, but what should Yendor do if he doesn't wish to use the clinker vat? He should edit the wiki resource page for concrete, reduce the requirement to "9500 gravel to 9500 cement" and create a new table at hte bottom of that subsection with something like this:

Partial Donations

Who What
Yendor 500 Concrete

Guild elders will not formally track partial points, but if someone seems to be a frequent victim of the round-off effect, we'll come up with something such as round-you-up bonus points.


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