Clinker Pollution Actually Confirmed!
oDiS has come across a reproducible experiment which needs further testing, but has shown almost definitive clinker pollution. Given last tale's problem with clinker and it's effects, it is the best reason to believe this has occured again.
The Story
From oDiS:
My friend residing in Qatara, Zumal, logged on April 1st, 2007 to discover pollution in his camp. He rang me up for some advice, so i told him i would come investigate.
It turned out to my surprise the place was in fact polluted while growing crossbred flax (Tedra's Folly was used along with #1617) giving us no flax yield, and only rotten flax. I also tested all the veggies, which gave normal yields.
All the ecology methods showed baseline in this zone; Ecology shows no signs that this has happened.
Because he lives in the middle of the desert, he has very little grass, so i began to test to quite an extent planting, and harvesting beds all over. With the lack of grass I could only find the line where the pollution ended to the south and east. The pollution carried on into the sand on the northern and western sides.
After eliminating a very safe and sane clinker disposal practice he did admit to what may have caused this outbreak of pollution. About one or two weeks ago, he thought he would haul a load of clinker and dump it inside of the local UWorship for laughs not knowing it could possibly harm his camp.
After doing some rough math I found this UWorship is about 200 coords to the NW of his camp and I got to work to find the affected area of pollution.
I took a screenshot of his camp and got to work by drawing a line at end of pollution to the east and to the south. Then I divided the angle, assuming a 45o angle so that anything falling on the ray could be the source, as pictured below.
I found nothing on the ray polluted and I followed it to the northwest. To my surprise the UWorship fell RIGHT on the ray (just out of frame on the picture, in the grass) I tested for pollution at the University, and found it unaffected.
I was confused, but thanks to some math, a few more planting tests, and a bit of time, I propose a new theory which just may prove true
Clinker pollution creeps ~75/75 coords to the southeast
With a possible hibernation of 5 days!!! {hibernation was just confirmed at the site!!! he redropped clinker in the UWor and planted everyday to find pollution again on day 5the dissapeared on day 7!!!} it forms an affected radius of about 25 coordinates
This theory would explain why the places that we have been dropping clinker are not polluted.
More research is needed, and feel free to contact me personally or continue research via this wiki page.
~oDiS
Is it possible that the pollution creeps toward the nearest water source, presumably via ground water flows? I notice he has a body of water in his camp. - Isetnefret
What do we do with this information? I don't want to pollute but I can't store thousands upon thousands of clinker forever and only need so much concrete! Can we make designated dumping areas? Maybe at the far SE of Khartoum so the pollution has no where to go? Or massive chest farms people can use for a fee to dump their clinker? This is a big deal! - rubenette
Just make sure there is no camps within about a 500 coord radius or so util more research is done, no need to go that far out of the way, but im glad that this worries you ~ oDiS
Samples sizes of one always make for good proof -Teao
I agree it needs testing/verification, but OdiS has a specific, testable prediction rather than just "Oh noes! Clinker = teh pollute" -Yendor
Yendor is unable to verify this theory. Dropping clinker at 1561, 1905 did not seem to change flax condiitons at 1661, 1805. I only tested once per day, so it is possible that I missed a short-term pollution spike. But those aren't worth panicing over I don't think
You went down 100-100..you need to go down 75-75... in your position you would be hitting the edge of 'the box' lol
Then you need to be clearer as to what you mean by "150 coords to the southeast". Geometrically, going 75 coords east and 75 coords south only takes you 106 coords southeast; 100 coords east and 100 coords south is 141 coords southeast. -Railla
Lol, sorry about that, im a simplistic kind of person..when i say 150 i meant 75 down, 75 across..jsut made it shorthand xD ~oDiS
THE CONFIRMATION
I repeated my test with clinker drop at 1575, 1904, and flax planting on 1625, 1854 (normal groth) and 1650, 1829 ('pollution' at 7 days, not at 4). Hats of to Odis for what now looks like a correct theory: Clinker sweep causes pollution 5-7 days later, 100 coordinates southeast. --Yendor
Is there a certain amount that causes pollution or dropping any amount of clinker does the same? - Potamo
At the moment i am still trying to fix my computer, along with alot of problems in real life that i will be happy to talk about when i return. Until then to my current knowledge both test drops we did were in large ammounts, if i can contact him i will tell him to drop a smaller ammount.. or if someone reading this could ask him for me i'd be much obliged ~oDiS
Since you have had a confirmation of your working hypothesis, I'd suggest a next step: the two variables you can adjust are the number of clinkers dumped and the frequency of dumping. I'd suggest isolating one of these variables and testing this at a remote site. It could be important to know if a higher quanity or frequency effects duration (creating a dead zone if we dump in one place) or perhaps area of effect (if so a significant enough clinker dumped could damage flax production on regional levels). These experiments would also generate additional validation for the original hypothesis Noobiehotep
Already have a couple different results...both droppped different ammounts and both resulted in the same ammount of pollution from day 5-7, and always the same affected radius...more testing is being conducted, but alot of what you state is still under consideration
POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS
Clinker shrines?New clinker chest farm at 1691, 3751 Upper Eygpt ~ Me123
Very Possible
There is already one of those setup in 7L thanks to Tactician. It's a bit of a hike, but well worth it.
Only problem is, that you can't do it that much..what is it..if you pass, or if you've already made all 9? Oh well..either one...
*EDIT:My bad..there is one south in Karnak as well..i remember that from my own pilgrimage*
Another good solution is to just check the said area south east of your drop point as stated in my conclusion..if there are no camps there, then by all means..besides..it only lasts 2 days
NEW FORM OF POLLUTION
I, Kryzoth, reside in eastern Qatara. My guild's camp has been here since the beginning of the tale, but most of the guild has left. I was gone for an extended period of time, but came back a few weeks ago. On Tuesday, October 23rd, I tried to grow some flax in camp (-140, 6750). I was using Moira#35(3 flax/3 rotten/3 seeds), and got no flax or rotten flax in camp. At the time, to get flax, I headed up to around 0, 6920. After about a week, I got ahold of some Tedra#1478 seeds (6/7/7), and when I tried to grow them in camp, I got 1 flax/2 rotten. Finally, on November 5th, I tested again, and this time in camp got only 1 rotten. I have since done some further testing around my camp, and the results are on my User page.
zumal , raw ecology test data here
Are there any Chemical Baths any where near your camp?
I don't have one, and the two nearest camps I know of are 250 coords west, or 200 north/200 west, and I don't know if either of them have a chem bath.
