2007-03-11 20:59:00 Eighteen: All of Egypt should take these elections seriously, listen to the candidates and make a wise choice when you go to the voting booth. The DP has some powers that can affect the lives of some of your fellow citizens, or even yourself, so know who you are voting for and make sure you feel comfortable with them in that position.
2007-03-11 20:59:26 Eighteen: I will be accepting questions throughout instead of waiting till the end like I do on interviews. Please feel free to submit your questions, and I shall put them through. Remember I will be reading them all and will remove duplicates.
2007-03-11 21:00:05 Eighteen: and now, what you have been waiting for.........
2007-03-11 21:00:16 Eighteen: I would like to welcome Greenish and Pascalito to the E! mic to discuss their aspirations as DP.
2007-03-11 21:00:44 Greenish: Thank you, it is good to be here. :) [merci, c'est bien d'etre ici]
2007-03-11 21:00:49 Pascalito: hello Eighten, hello Greenish, and a big HI to the people of Egypt. [salut Eighteen, salut Greenish, et un grand SALUT au peuple dEgypte]
2007-03-11 21:00:58 Eighteen: ***thunderous applause heard throughout Egypt****
2007-03-11 21:01:57 Eighteen: Pascalito I will let you answer first
2007-03-11 21:01:59 Eighteen: Tell us a little bit about yourselves, how long you have been playing ATITD, what are your goals in Egypt, etc. [ranconte nous un peu sur toi meme, tu joues depuis combien de temps sur ATITD, quels sont tes buts en Egypte, etc]
2007-03-11 21:02:33 Pascalito: My short real life profile is : Belgian male, 47 summers young, mothertongue dutch, also speak french and english, understand some german. The far more important Egypt profile is what you can all find in my /info of course. [mon profil court vie réel est : Belge, masculin, 47 étés, langue maternelle néerlandais, parle francais et anglais, comprend un peu d'allemand. Mon profil beaucoup plus imortant Egyptien est sun mon /indo bien sur]
2007-03-11 21:02:46 Pascalito: I've been playing the game for almost 5 months now and I adore it; I really wish I had found a link to it before ! [je joue ce jeu depuis presaue 5 mois et je l'adore; je souhaite que j'aurais trouvé un lien vers le jeu plus tôt]
2007-03-11 21:05:06 Pascalito: I live in Sinai since I started and really love the thriving community we have there. [j'habite au Sinai depuis le depart et j'aime bien la communauté active que j'ai trouvé dans cette region]
2007-03-11 21:06:33 Eighteen: Greenish the same question
2007-03-11 21:08:15 Greenish: I hail from mother England and have been playing ATITD since BuddyC introduced me to the wonders of Brick Racks and Wood Planes on the first day of T3.
2007-03-11 21:11:13 Greenish: Since then I have been totally addicted to this game. The mechanics are so varied and in-depth that you could spend every waking moment here and still not "do everything". The community spirit (due in part to this being non-combat) is the best online gathering I have had the pleasure of experiencing.
2007-03-11 21:13:22 Greenish: With regards to my goals in Egypt, mainly my aim is to have fun, explore as much of the game as possible and be a part of this friendly society.
2007-03-11 21:15:15 Greenish: Although I must admit becoming Oracle in at least the discipline of Harmony is one of my long-term aims. It is considered a "weak" discipline by some and imho while it has potential, it needs a lot of improving.
2007-03-11 21:16:07 Eighteen: Pascalito would like to add something to his previous answer......
2007-03-11 21:17:49 Pascalito: My goals are to have fun and to try and forget the daily pain I suffer in real life. This means helping other players to me, making their game experience as good as possible, while respecting their play style. I try to make this help coincide with some of the activities I enjoy doing : brewing, cooking , quarrying to name some. I also enjoy answering questions from other players, another type of help. [Mes buts sont de m'amuser et d'essayer d'oublier les douleurs constantes de ma vie réelle. Pour moi cela veut dire aider des autres joueurs pour leur apporter une experience de jeu optimale en respectant leur style de jeu. J'essaie de faire coincider cette aide avec ce que j'aime faire : brasser, cuisiner, carrières entre autres. Un autre type d'aide que j'aime bien est de repondre aux questions d'autres joueurs.]
2007-03-11 21:19:17 Eighteen: Here is a question from the viewing audience, Greenish if you could answer first please
2007-03-11 21:19:21 M:Balthazarr: To Both Candidates, please tell us what your focuses are in the game and what you like about the game :) [Quel est votre focus et qu'est ce que vous aimez au jeu]
2007-03-11 21:21:46 M:Balthazarr: Just a comment: I am really stoked that we have TWO new to T3 players in the finals and TWO European players in the finals, and both are nice candidates :) [commentaire : je suis vraiment perplexe de voir DEUX nouveaux joueurs T3 en finale et DEUX europeens, et ils sont gentls tous les 2]
2007-03-11 21:23:34 Greenish: My main focus is to have fun and explore the game (while at the same time allowing others to do so). The variety ATITD offers means you are very hard-pressed to get bored, there is always some building/technology/game/region to explore.
2007-03-11 21:24:22 Eighteen: Pascalito your response to the same question
2007-03-11 21:25:35 M:Pascalito: Focus is absolutely on helping other players. I like the variety, each individual likes different things and hates some, which make cooperation a vital part. The friendships in here are really great and comforting. The international aspect makes it even more exciting. [Mon focus est sans hesiter aider des autres joueurs. J'aime bien la variation du jeu, chaque individu adore et repulse certaines techniques, ce qui fait que la cooperation est vitale. L'amitié que j'experience est enorme et fait chaud au coeur. L'aspect international le rend encore plus interessant.]
2007-03-11 21:27:09 Eighteen: Pascalito if you could answer this one first please
2007-03-11 21:27:13 Eighteen: What makes you desire to pass the DP test? [qu'est ce qui fait qur tu veux passer le Test DP ?]
2007-03-11 21:28:02 M:Pascalito: Becoming a DP is another step in trying to help all Egypt. When human conflicts arise a good listening ear of a DP can make the difference for the players involved in the conflict to restore their fun game experience. Covering all time windows in a day by having a European DP is a bonus. So is being able to help the french and dutch community in their own language. [DP serait une nouvelle etappe dans mes essais d'aider l'Egypte. Dans le cas de conflits une bonne oreille d'un DP peut faire la difference pour les joueurs du conflit, en faisant qu'ils reprennent du plaisir dans le jeu. Couvrage de toutes les periodes d'un jour en ayant un DP europeen sear ceretainement un bonus. Tout comme l'aide auc communautés francophones et neerlandophones dans leur language.]
2007-03-11 21:28:33 Eighteen: Greenish the same question
2007-03-11 21:31:48 F:Greenish: I feel suitable to the role, in the sense that I am never hasty in making important decisions and I do so objectively. I always aim to please all parties involved in a disagreement, even at the expense of myself. Removing (but not completely ignoring) emotive meaning and getting down to the "truths" is something i find enjoyable.
2007-03-11 21:33:23 Eighteen: Greenish you first, another question from a fellow citizen.....
2007-03-11 21:33:26 M:Kaotika: I have a question, if I may. I'm somewhat frustrated that I myself got voted out of DP, given that the basis of my 'campaign' would be to use the legitimacy and authority granted to me by being elected as a leader representing the majority of the players to further projects such as Global Mentoring, The Podium, and so forth - projects that can't be run as me as a 'leader' without said authority and legitimacy. My question to you is, 'What, other than the standard "be around to help people, answer questions and be a generally-nice-person" lip-service will you actually *do* as Demi-Pharaoh, that you can't / aren't already doing now as a player? What are we electing you for?'
2007-03-11 21:36:07 F:Greenish: You are electing (one of) us to grant the trust to use (or not use) bans appropriately. That is what a Demi-Pharaoh is able to do that is not, and cannot, be done as a "player".
2007-03-11 21:36:27 Eighteen: Pascalito the same question
2007-03-11 21:38:08 M:Pascalito: The office of Demi-Pharaoh has been described and I will try to fill it in the best way I can. Going over that edge is maybe not what the people expect. So any other initiative can be taken by any other player, this channel for example is a very good platform to announce your plans to the world. Being DP is absolutely no must is organizing other things that can benefit Egypt. [La fonction de DP a été decrit et je ferai de mon mieux. Faire plus que cette description n'est peut-etre pas ce que les gens attendent d'un DP. Des autres initiatives savent parfaitement etre faites par n'importe quel joueur, E! pas exemple est un endroit parfait pour annoncer vos plans au monde. Etre DP est absolument pas une condition pour organiser des choser qui aident l'Egypte.]
2007-03-11 21:38:55 Eighteen: Pascalito this is an added part to the same question if you would please.....
2007-03-11 21:39:00 M:Kaotika: The bans discussion has been flogged to death. We know you won't ban anyone. What will you *do*? Not "What will you *not* do". Please answer the question ;)
2007-03-11 21:42:32 M:Pascalito: Ok. Listen to the people when they need us ! The ideal situation is we do not even need a DP, just like we don't need Devcalls or GMcalls if all was perfect. But it isn't cause we are human, and we all have our ideas, so differences will arise. It's a DP's task to solve those situations to thier best without hurting people and eaxh situation will require a different appoach. [Ok. Ecouter les joueurs quand ils ont besoin de nous ! La situation ideale serait de ne pas avoir besoin d'un DP, tout comme avec les appels GM et Dev si tout serait parfait. Mais nous sommes humains, donc ce n'est pas le cas, et nous avons tous nos opinions propres ce qui resulte parfois en conflit. C'est la tache d'un DP de resoudre ces situations sans faire mal aux gens, et bien sur chaque situation aura besoin d'une approche differente.]
2007-03-11 21:43:02 Eighteen: Greenish please....
2007-03-11 21:43:16 M:Pascalito: sorry for the typos :-)
2007-03-11 21:46:46 F:Greenish: In a way you are correct, I believe the purpose of this test is not "should the bans be used", but "will they be used". In a more realistic way you are incorrect, you cannot completely know the mindset of a demi-pharaoh (current or otherwise). The option to use the bans is there, sometimes the option (or threat) is all it takes. But if you are asking me if i would use a ban, then I cannot answer. All I can say is IF I did, you can be sure it would be carefully thought through and I would not regret doing so (even though I would be dissapointed that it got to that stage).
2007-03-11 21:47:49 Eighteen: Here are a few comments from other players, then I would like Egypt to hold some of these comments till the end, so we can get some other questions answered and I thank you :)
2007-03-11 21:48:02 F:MomMouse: being elected DP is so much more then just a banstick tho, it says that your fellow egyptians trust you and feel that you are someone capable of leading them, therefore i would like to know what projects you plan to lead in the future or help lead or if you are going to rest on your laurels
2007-03-11 21:48:47 Eighteen: Sorry, Mom deserves an answer, I thought it was a comment, Greenish if you would go first please
2007-03-11 21:51:10 F:Greenish: I hope to have a major part in the monuments (if not lead the Harmony monument). I believe that we can meet the stranger's challenge and get one step closer to making the Harmony discipline meet its potential.
2007-03-11 21:51:25 Eighteen: Pascalito the same question please
2007-03-11 21:55:53 F:Greenish: In the short-term I am helping others with advice and materials regarding (amonst other things) the (short-term) cure to lung spore. Once we are free of this disease I hope to help run acro lines of the capacity we have not seen in many months. And if there seems no end to the plague, I would play "nurse" ensuring everyone at a "healthy" acro line is in fact healthy.
2007-03-11 21:56:25 M:Pascalito: There a loads of things to do still, and the great thing is we don't even know what is to come. As I already said I consider projects to be a very separate thing from DP. Projects is about specializing often. So this question looks more like "what projects are you planning". I think the guilds we are all in give a good general idea of what we're interested in. A DP could as well lead a project or take care of communication within Egypt as any player could. [Il reste plein de choses a faire, et en plus on ne sait pas encore ce qui va nous arriver dans le futur. Comme deja dit, je considere des projets comme quelque chose de completement different des taches DP. Les project requirent souvent une specialization. La question me semble plutot etre "quels projest est-ce que vous planifiez ?". Je pense que la liste de nos guildes donne une bonne idée de ce qui nous interesse. Un DP peut mener un projet ou soigner de la communication en Egypt, comme chaque autre joueur sait le faire.]
2007-03-11 21:56:36 M:Pascalito: We'll ahve to see what the future brings before we can make blind decisions. [Voyons ce que le futur nous presente avant de prendre des decisons aveugles.]
2007-03-11 21:57:04 Eighteen: and another comment
2007-03-11 21:57:23 Eighteen: Pascalito you first please.....
2007-03-11 21:57:27 F:Cyall: To bother candidates: Speaking of bans, I would ask what human qualities you bring to the judging process [Quelles qualités humaines avez vous pour juger les conflits ?]
2007-03-11 22:00:08 M:Pascalito: I bring my experience from real life as a former company manager where I had to deal with conflicts between employees. Even in game I have more than once spoken to people about human conflict situation I was aware of. Sensing such tensions is important to anticipating what could become a major problem. [J'etais directeur d'une firme et devait gerer les conflits entre employées. Deja maintenant en jeu, je m'adresse aux joueurs pour parler de situations dangereuses potentielles. Intuition pour anticiper des conflits est tres importnat pour eviter des catastrophes.]
2007-03-11 22:00:44 Eighteen: Greenish the same question please
2007-03-11 22:00:58 M:Pascalito: When a bureau is seized for example, a nice relax talk with the "seizer" can do miracles. [En cas de "seize" d'un bureau par exemple, une conversation relax avec celui qui l'a fait sait fiare des miracles.]
2007-03-11 22:01:47 M:Pascalito: As well as to the people in teh bureau of course ! [Aussi bien qu'aux membres du bureau pris bien sur !]
2007-03-11 22:02:56 F:Greenish: I try to put myself in the position of the person (or people) being judged and attempt to understand why it has got to such a stage. Never quick to judge and I am not afraid to ask plain questions to clear up people's meanings.
2007-03-11 22:04:35 Eighteen: Pascalito I recieved a question and would like you to answer please
2007-03-11 22:04:37 Eighteen: One of the frequently cited roles for DP is mediating disputes. my question to Pascalito is, given that you've built sand mines in someone else's camp and refused repeated requests to tear them down, how effective do you think you can be as a mediator in handling similar such disputes? [suppose que t's fait des mines de sable dans le camps de quelqu'un d'autre et t'as refusé plusieurs demandes de les enlever, est ce que tu sais encore etre efficient comme mediateur dans des cas pareils ?]
2007-03-11 22:09:04 M:Pascalito: Talking to the builder of those mines as a non involved player in teh conflict, and with the authority of a DP, Iwould give my self a 90% chance I can convince him to tear those mines down. I would start by asking for his reason for building them, little by little moving on to convincing him that he would not like it either whan someone built in his backyard. [Parler avec le constructuer de ces mines comme joueur exterieur au conflit, et avec l'autorité d'un DP, je pense avoir 90% de chances pour convincre la destruction de ces mines. Je commencerais par demander les raisons pour la construction a cet endroit en evoluant vers la demande de destruction, comme je suis sur qu'il n' apprecie pas non plus qu'on met des mines dans son jardin.]
2007-03-11 22:09:54 Eighteen: Greenish if you could answer the following question first please......
2007-03-11 22:10:04 M:Royamen: Tell us, what is your attitude toward new playes, and what do you see as your role as a leader toward them?
2007-03-11 22:14:07 F:Greenish: I try to show new players the good in this game (and by that i mean that *most* people will bend over backwards to help you), as well as pointing them in the right direction (schools, wiki) when they ask "what do I do now?". While also showing them al the variety in the game, and letting them know that patience is a major part (be it running to a school or building an obelisk).
2007-03-11 22:14:09 F:Greenish: Oh, and did I mention the wiki?
2007-03-11 22:14:27 M:Pascalito: Make their game experience as enjoyable a possible. I do this by warmly welcoming them, having a nice and gentle talk with them, introducing them to public works, and trying to discover what their play style is. Some players don't like donations for example, since they feel like being in debt then, which would ruin their fun. I also give them nfo on what to do next little by little, not to overwhelm them and of course I try to get them into reading our beloved Wiki. [Faire que leur experience de jeu soit agreable. En les souhaitant le bienvenu chaleureusement, un petit dialogue de presentation, en montrant l'atelier des travaux publiques, et en decouvrant leur style de jeu. Certains joueurs n'aiment pas n'aiment pas des dons, avoir le sentiment de dettes peut ruiner leur plaisir de jeu. Puis je donne des info peu a peu sur les options d'actions de jeu et je les dirige vers le Wiki.]
2007-03-11 22:16:04 Eighteen: Pascalito here is a continuation of the previous question, I am trying hard to keep the questions together on the same topics,, not always easy
2007-03-11 22:16:06 Eighteen: So it sounds like you realize how frustrating it can be to invade someone's camp with sand mines. and as long as it's someone else doing it, you'll try to get them torn down. but you'll continue to carry on buliding things when and where you please? and do you see that as appropriate behavior for a DP?
2007-03-11 22:19:43 M:Pascalito: If i'd have a sand mine in or near (can also be a metal mine) soemone else's camp, I'd tear it down if it is obviously hampering them; or do what I have done before when I saw a new compound arrive near a mine i built before : donate the mine to the compound's owner, cause it will be more useful to him than to me at that point. [Si j'aurais une mine (de sable) dans ou pres d'un atelier je le detruirai si c'est clair que ca gene; ou faire ce que j'ai deja fait : donner la mine au proprietaire de l'atelier proche comme cette mine est plus utile pour ce joueur que pour moi.]
2007-03-11 22:20:36 Eighteen: Greenish if you could answer first please
2007-03-11 22:20:44 M:Taemon: What do you do when a new player asks for things?
2007-03-11 22:21:35 Eighteen: ********Announcement************
2007-03-11 22:22:18 Eighteen: I recieve many questions from many people, and I simply put them through, I am not trying to discredit anyone.
2007-03-11 22:22:48 Eighteen: i will ask the people that asked those questions to please chat the candidate themselves from now on.
2007-03-11 22:24:19 Eighteen: And I am not biased to any candidate, I always remain neutral during these discusion
2007-03-11 22:24:48 F:Greenish: Quite simply I show them how they can make it themselves. If if is bricks and boards I point them towards the Improved Brick Racks and Carp Shops, if it is flax I give them a handful of Tedra's Folly. Anything more "complex" I try to help *them* achieve it, quoting wiki page(s) where appropriate.
2007-03-11 22:25:33 M:Pascalito: If I feel that simply giving it to that player would make him happy, he'll get it in exchange for free slots in my chest. I've learnt from my mistakes of being too generous sometimes, but as you know, it's tough cause it's in my nature :). If they want basic things they can make easily at the Public Works I direct them there, if they need dreaded pulleys for a tuition, I'll gladly give them 2 cuttables with the option to give same amount back to me later. [Quand j'ai le sentiment qu'un don rend un joueue heureux, je donne en echange d'espace dans mes coffres. J'ai fait des erreurs dans le passé en etant trop genereux, mais c'est dur parce que donner est ma seocnde nature :). Si ils veulent des materiaux de bases qu'on sait faire facilement aux travaux publiques, je les dirige vers cet atelier. Si ils ont besoin de 2 poulies dur dur au debut pour une tuition, je les donne avec l'option de me les rendre plus tard.]
2007-03-11 22:26:33 M:bskirk: i would like to verify that pascalito is VERY generous with mines and its hard for me to believe that he would NOT tear one of his down.... [je veux confirmer que P est TRES genereux avec des mines et c'est dur a avaler pour moi qu'il refuserait d'en detruire une qui lui appartient]
2007-03-11 22:27:04 Eighteen: Pascalito if you could answer first please
2007-03-11 22:27:05 F:Bellah: DP is clearly a leadership test. Not being eligable to run for DP, I would like to know how your DP rounds went. Was there a clear winner in all rounds, and if not, how did you all decide who went forward? [Comment vos tours de DP se sont ils terminés ? Vainceur claire ? Sinon, comment a t'on decidé ? ]
2007-03-11 22:30:52 M:Pascalito: This was the second time I made it to the last DP group before the final. I've had massive support in each of the rounds and there were no disputes. Except for some vote of players for themselves (2 in the 3 rounds iirc) evrybody agreed on supporting me for the next round after talks and debates in teh group chat. [J'etais dans le groupe finale pour la 2ieme fois. J'ai recu beaucoup de support a chaque tour et il n'y a pas eu de disputes. A l'exception de quelques votes de joueurs sur eux memes, j'ai eu le support global du groupe pour m'avancer au prochain tour apres conversations et debats dans le groupe.]
2007-03-11 22:31:48 Eighteen: Greenish next please.......
2007-03-11 22:35:30 F:Greenish: Unfortunately I was not present at the end of the first round and only spoke to one person (I have found the first round to be very strange at times). We both voted for ourselves and I can only assume that he changed his vote. The second round I recieved unanamous (sp?) support to move on. The final round was more tricky as there were apparent disagreements outside of the DP chat (to which I was not party to) but still (obviously) gained the majority, even if I did fail to convince the others. One of which claimed withdrawl from the group.
2007-03-11 22:36:22 Eighteen: Greenish this is a question specific to you
2007-03-11 22:36:24 F:KahnQbYne: For Greenish: Are you a male-playing-female avatar? Are you the male playing BuddyC avatar?
2007-03-11 22:37:49 M:captdanjou: just for the record, I voted for greenish in the first round, and was not the person who voted for himself
2007-03-11 22:41:45 F:Greenish: I believe the main point here is "are BuddyC and Greenish seperate people in RL?", and although I often log on as BuddyC (as spouses do) I can assure you that neither of us are "mules". With regards to my gender in RL, I ask you: Does is matter? Do you also require I tell you my full name, address, phone number......?
2007-03-11 22:42:44 M:MAMTeles: Only if you are a single ladie... ;)
2007-03-11 22:44:09 Eighteen: Pascalito you first please......
2007-03-11 22:44:12 Eighteen: Okay let us get it over with, where are you on banning?
2007-03-11 22:46:32 F:KahnQbYne: you changed the question ... no, it was not "are they the same people?" It was.... Are you a male playing a female avatar, with all the expectations gender roles have, it's only a fair question.
2007-03-11 22:46:47 M:MouseD: Ones gender in real life should remain private if they choose to do so ...nobodies buisness at all.
2007-03-11 22:46:59 M:Balthazarr: Is that a proposition MAMTeles to Greenish ;) hehehe
2007-03-11 22:47:01 F:Eighteen: Interview to start
2007-03-11 22:47:29 M:Pascalito: Ban is a powerful weapon. It should only be a means of making people listen attentively, I could brutally say scaring them. If it would get to the point where ban sems to be the only way out, I'd seriously consider how that player is least dangerous for our community : as someone we all know what he/she is capable of, or under a new avatar name noone knows and who only thinks about revenge against Egypt. [Ban est une arme puissante. Ca devrait uniquement etre une raison pour faire eceouter les gens attentivement, on pouurait dire brutalement les faire peur. Si jamais je me trouve dans la situation de considerer un "ban", je me poserai la question si ce joueur est plus dangereux sous son nom actuel ou avec un avatar et nom nouveau qui ne pense qu'a se venger.]
2007-03-11 22:48:03 Eighteen: Greenish your answer please
2007-03-11 22:55:32 F:Greenish: Well, I would like to start with quicky skimming over the rhetoric, bans (and the threat thereof) are a last resort measure. And as Pascalito rightly says, someone with a vendetta *could* come back with a different avatar an wreak havoc (regardless of their gender). I have no personal quarrels (or alliances) that would warrant using a ban for personal reasons. The ban is there as a deterent and the power to use it is the means to back up this deterent if necessary.
2007-03-11 22:59:16 Eighteen: Greenish you first on this questionn please
2007-03-11 22:59:18 F:Nefartiri: Question to you both....With all the rumors of DP's favoring their friends even though they are in the wrong,what can and what will you do to avoid these kinds of issues knowing it could sever your friendships? [Avec les rumeurs que les DP donnent avantage aux amis, que ferais tu pour eviter que tes decisions inluencent tes amitiés ?
2007-03-11 23:03:53 F:Greenish: When I said I am totally addicted to this game, I meant i am TOTALLY addicted to this game. I won't go into details, but suffice it to say i would make my decisions bases on what I thought would be best for Egypt. This would include involving other DPs where necessary and the reason is twofold. 1: To be absolutely sure that I myself was being objective. 2: So that any personal ramifications are not as total as they could be (plausible denyability).
2007-03-11 23:04:18 Eighteen: Pascalito your answer please.....
2007-03-11 23:05:12 M:Pascalito: I know from myself I'm very objective in judging such things. It's even easier to tell a friend that he should or should not do this or that for the right reasons. Thoes who know me know i'm very open hearted in giving them my opinion. It's often the way you tell something that makes it sound like the good advice of a friend rather than as a "you've been naughty" with a finger in the air. [Je sais de moi meme que je suis tres objectif en juguant. A mon avis c'est meme plus facile de dire a un ami ce qu'il devrait faire ou pas fiare pour les bonnes raisons. Ceux qui me connaissent savent que je suis tres ouvert et donne mes opinions. C'est souvent la facon de le dire qui fait la difference d'interpretation entre avis amicale et "t'es mechant" avec un doigt dans l'air.]
2007-03-11 23:05:50 Eighteen: Here are a few comments related to the question asked of Greenish
2007-03-11 23:05:51 M:Tactician: wow, what a question avoidance that was, if your afraid to tell us if your a man or a woman, like you have something to hide, why would we have any reason to think someone with something to hide would be a good DP candidate?
2007-03-11 23:05:52 M:Balthazarr: There seems to be some concern about your true nature.... I would like to confirm that are both humans and not space aliens. ;)
2007-03-11 23:05:54 M:Balthazarr: I would like to say that I am not prejudice against space aliens as long as they are not hell bent on world domination. ;)
2007-03-11 23:07:40 M:Balthazarr: That was a question, are they human beings and not space aliens hell bent on world domination? ;)
2007-03-11 23:08:14 Eighteen: Balth would like an answer, but that should be easy for both of you :)
2007-03-11 23:09:42 Eighteen: And then I would like you both to ask each other a question, Greenish ask Pascalito first and then we will end this discussion as it has gone on quite a while, I will continue to post comments as they both have boards.
2007-03-11 23:10:10 M:Pascalito: I am a human. And like all of us I come with my own personality. World domination or domination "tout court" are dirty words for me. [Je suis humain. Et comme nous tous, j'ai ma personalité unique. Domination mondiale ou domination tout court sont des mots que je deteste.]
2007-03-11 23:10:47 F:Greenish: Balthazarr, I can provide neither proof nor assurance that I am not an alien and will leave that to speculation.
2007-03-11 23:11:15 M:Gearjammer: wow....was that an answer?
2007-03-11 23:11:16 M:Gearjammer: they're both aliens!!!! Kill them!!!
2007-03-11 23:11:52 M:Balthazarr: ahah, a space alien, probably hell bent on world domination ;)
2007-03-11 23:11:52 F:Greenish: Pascalito, what is "truth"? ["Verité", c'est quoi ?]
2007-03-11 23:16:55 M:Pascalito: Ah, a very good question. I could probably write a book about it. Everyone has his own "truth" which si his full right. Trying to let people consider circumstances by helping them with giving information can sometimes makes them change their "truth" into a positive direction. Simple unintended ignorance against being well informed can make a world of difference in the judgment of someone. I could almost say that every body has to be his own DP when it comes to tough decisions, often depicted as "looking in the mirror". [Ah, bonne question. Je sais ecrire un livre a ce sujet. Chacun a sa propre verité et c'est son droit. Aider les gens en donnant des infos pour les faire reconsiderer une situation sait faire evoluer leur verité dans un sens positif. De l'ignorance involontaire vis a vis de bonnes infos fait un monde de difference dans les jugements de quelqu'un. Je dirai meme que tout le monde doit etre un peu son propre DP, souvent decrit comme "regarder dans le mirroir".]
2007-03-11 23:17:54 M:Pascalito: If I saypositive direction, that is seen from the point of view of a whole community. [Qaund je dis direction positive, c'est du pont de vue de toute la societe.]
2007-03-11 23:18:44 M:Pascalito: People must realize that they have "rights" and "freedom" because others have "rules" to follow. That's often a way to convince them to do the same. [Les gens doivent se realiser qu'ils ont des droits et de la liberté parce que des autres ont des regles a suivre. C'est souvent la base pour les convaincre de faire de meme.]
2007-03-11 23:19:34 M:Pascalito: I have said :) [J'ai dit :)]
2007-03-11 23:20:04 F:Greenish: Tactician, I see your point. But this game is an escape for us all, no matter what that might be. Who you are in real life and who you are in Egypt can be, and often are two very different people. In here I am somewhat succesful, confident and talkative. I think I have said enough on the matter.
2007-03-11 23:20:21 F:Eleusis: If Pascalito is NOT an alien, then why does he have green hair?
2007-03-11 23:20:27 M:Pascalito: Well, I'll make this a very easy question : Greenish, we are good friends, no matters who of us gets the most support from our beloved Egyptian citizens and peasants, will you keep considering me as a friend ? [Simple question : Greenish, nous sommes de bons amis, idependant du resulatat de vote, est ce que je resterai un ami our toi ?]
2007-03-11 23:24:47 F:Greenish: Of course. I (and everyone else who enters this test) know that in each round only one can advance at the expense of others. With this I am completely comfortable. *bites lip to avoid star trek reference*
2007-03-11 23:25:09 M:Pascalito: I'll have topetiton, cause the weird avatar i selected cannot have green hair for me !
2007-03-11 23:25:27 Eighteen: Okay one final question.... Pascalito if you would go first
2007-03-11 23:25:29 F:MomMouse: greenish and pascalito what are your feelings about gaming? this question comes from jemgirl who i have on the telephone [Quels sont vos sentiments sur "gaming" ?]
2007-03-11 23:26:20 M:Pascalito: I hear I have to clarify on the sand mines question : if I have built a mine in a location that does not please someone, and if they tell me and that indeed the mine is in an annoying spot for them, I'd immediately take action and tear it down. [J'endends que je dois clarifier sur les mines de sable : si j'ai fait une mine quelque part a un endroit qui ne plait pas, si on me le dit, et si la mine est effectivement a un endroit genant, je prendrai action immediate pourla detruire.]
2007-03-11 23:28:29 M:Pascalito: I've heard that term before and i suppose you mean "pushing friends to voting" and similar things. It's something that is not nice to do but if the game mechanics allow it is hard to avoid. In the time I've been in this game I haven't personally experienced anything like that. [Ce n'est pas gentil a faire, mais les mechaniques de jeu font que c'est possible et dificile a eviter. Dans mon experience de jeu je n'ai jamais eu l'experience personelle d'un cas pareil.]
2007-03-11 23:29:28 Eighteen: Greenish your response.......
2007-03-11 23:29:38 M:Pascalito: Anoother important thing for that matter : the fact that 2 new T3 players are here means that you can get support for being what you are, and it should encourage the younger players in encouraging them. [Le fait que nous sommes 2 nouveaux joueurs T3 signifie qu'on sait recevoir du support pour ce que tu fais, et ca devrait encourager les jeunes joueurs a proceder.]
2007-03-11 23:30:32 M:Pascalito: teh younger players.
2007-03-11 23:33:16 F:Greenish: "Gaming" is defined differently by different people. My interpretation is unfairly gaining an advantage. Is it a bannable offence? No, if that were the case then everyone who ever said "come vote on my XXXX" would be banned and there would be nobody left. Including nobody left to support the art and thought monuments. Is it wrong? Yes, I believe persistant deliberate gaming should be avoided. Gaming (limited test passes at least) takes away the legitimate opportunity from others.
2007-03-11 23:34:16 Eighteen: One final question for the night , as I am sure the poor people in Europe would love to sleep.....
2007-03-11 23:34:25 Eighteen: Greenish if you could answer first please
2007-03-11 23:34:28 F:BooBoo: what would both of your opinions be on the plague event, and how it has changed the way we play
2007-03-11 23:38:48 M:Pascalito: That event is part of the big social experiment. It's interesting to see how people change behavior with this new situation. And also how the different approaches to that once simple fact of life are. DPs can play an informative role when reckless bahavior happens. Close cooperation with Devs and GMs for passing info about some technicities could certianly help in this specific case. [Sur la maladie : ca fait partie du grand experiment social. C'est interessant de voir les reactions et changements de comportement. Un DP sait jouer un role pour passer des infos a ceux qui se comportent drolement.]
2007-03-11 23:40:20 F:Greenish: It has physically divided us into 2 groups, the sick and the healthy. The majority of the sick cannot or will not (due to not seeing the "point") get cured. And the healthy run around either oblivious or like a paranoid mental patient waving strips of paper under people's noses. I think it is an interesting twist even if it has driven some people away. The only problem I have with the "event" is the means for participating further in the story is limited somewhat to the people who have better knives, access to a macerator etc. There is nothing most players can do except accept the situation and that unfortunately has led to far too much apathy.
2007-03-11 23:41:05 M:Balthazarr: Hello Folks, Eighteen had to restart her computer, she should be back in a couple :)
2007-03-11 23:42:28 Eighteen: I am back and I am sorry for that, stupid computers (as I gently kiss it to keep running)
2007-03-11 23:42:34 M:Pascalito: I think we can make doantions if we all get the right information about what is exactly needed, this may range from very basic items to the more "expensive" complex items.
2007-03-11 23:42:36 F:Greenish: I would like to point out that I am of the "paranoid" group of healthy people, so please don't be offended if i wave strips of paper under your nose. ;)
2007-03-11 23:43:26 M:Pascalito: And I took the weird habit of greeting with "Hello, I'm healthy"
2007-03-11 23:44:00 Eighteen: I am now going to end this lovely discussion, I know it has helped me to know the candidates better and I hope it has done the same for all of Egypt
2007-03-11 23:44:35 Eighteen: As I leave I will post the final comments being made and know that I feel your candidates would love to hear your questions and concerns, so ask them. They are both in game quite a bit
2007-03-11 23:45:37 Eighteen: Thank you Greenish and Pascalito for all your time and I wish you both the best, I have been there and I know this is a tough spot, especially being friends.
2007-03-11 23:46:05 Eighteen: And thank you all of Egypt for your support for this very important test, as yes they can affect us.
2007-03-11 23:46:11 Eighteen: And good night
2007-03-11 23:46:28 Eighteen: *****Eighteen out and about......*******
2007-03-11 23:46:35 M:Kaotika: Er.. pardon? The whole idea is that we're not *meant* to know the technicalities...
2007-03-11 23:46:39 M:Kaotika: I disagree :) I think that the way Egypt plays hasn't changed at all - that's the problem. It's wholly possible for players with limited access to get involved in the event process - we just need leaders to organise the donations and activities that are open to them on a reasonable scale, and to work together.
2007-03-11 23:46:39 F:Nefartiri: Greenish and so being in the paranoid group,what would be your intentions into helping solve this situation
2007-03-11 23:46:39 F:Cyall: was of the paranoid healthy group, but found she had to capitulate in order to get past level 7 <_<;
2007-03-11 23:46:41 M:Pascalito: Thank you Eighteen and Greenish, this was once again a new experience for me, and a very pleasnt one !
2007-03-11 23:46:41 F:BooBoo: thank you for your responses and ty for the debate mom
2007-03-11 23:47:06 F:Greenish: Yes, thank you Pascalito and Eighteen for being such a wonderful host. And of course, thank you Egypt for listening in.