Proposed law.
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Pharaoh,
- Given that some player have become so self-righteous as to presume they can dictate the behavior of other players and,
- Given that all MMORPGs are by their nature PVPs and
- Given that some would presume to speak for or represent the will of the people
- I humbly ask we put it to the test.
I propose the following:
1) No DP can bring a petition to ballot to ban a player. This is redundant and demonstrates an unwillingness to do the job they were elected to and an attempt to shirk responsibility for the ban.
2) Any ban that is balloted and fails will result in the balloter receiving the proposed ban.
3) No proposed ban can be balloted without valid, documented examples of undesirable behavior by the target and any petition that contains general, unsubstantiated allegations will be disregarded outright regardless of the number of signatures. Valid documentation would be Screen Shots of the offense, chat windows that are incriminating, or logs from chat channels or chests. Said proof must be posted in the wiki on a page with the same name as the proposed ban. This will prevent any "Popularity Contest" type of bans where a very popular player could get a not so popular or unknown players banned for no good reason.
This law will eliminate frivolous attempts to grief players for personal reasons through attempted bans and not be used as a tool to coerce, intimidate or harass a player for not complying to the will of another,alleged values or code of conduct that is not shared by both citizens.
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Comments?
- What about a DP that has used all their bans? (Just per say..) are they still disallowed to propose a ban? And if not, and if the ban fails, does the DP still have to be penalized for proposing a 'bad' ban? (I think they should, but just wondering.) ---Zatarg---
- 3 free bans for any player seems to me to be more than enough and if a DP uses them up their ability to ban or propose bans is over.
- As things stand in Egypt, banning is never considered a frivolous act. I would hate to see that change! -- Cyall
- So lets see, if this petition reaches and passes ballot before my petition to Exile Richter reaches the ballot, we will have turned the legal system into a popularity contest. Instead of Egypt making up its mind about Richter they will be deciding whether to ban Richter, or me. That could be interesting. ~Lukeera
- Actually if my petition makes it to ballot before your's your petition will be discarded as a frivolous ban petition as you have not given a single valid documented action by me to justify a ban. Richter
- Unless you think that the founding documents of the legal system which you use as a model for most of your rights is poor -- I would dare say that an ex post facto enaction of your petition over Lukeera's would be criminal. She drafted her petition before yours went into effect, and that would make it legal at the time it occurred. To punish people for something that is illegal now for something they did before now -- that's Draconian at best, and downright a human rights violation as I see it. Your law would have no effect on Lukeera's petition. Otherwise we could enact all sorts of nasty laws on people who did anything we decided we didn't like. I think it's a good idea to ban you, myself. -- Refa (This is a direct response to the comment above it, please do not add it to the comments about the law in general. It should stay indented, to denote this.)
- i have YET to see witness a frivolous ban (not counting the DP who banned himself, lol) being brought up seriously. a ban is the cruelest punishment the player base has to wield. the citizens, in my observations, are generously lenient and forgiving towards behavior that harms others. Are you saying the citizens of egypt cannot seperate the wheat from the chaff and make an informed decision when something so serious is presented before them? - kap0w
- "valid, documented examples of undesirable behavior" is not, and never will be, the basis for a legal action. Juries (petitions in our case) exist to define the truth and relevance of evidence. Evidence, by itself, is not cause for action or inaction. You can only pile shit so high, and Richter has provided a monumental amount of it.
Regarding what we may (and may not) do, it's pretty much up to us. There is no longer an End User Licensing Agreement or Code of Conduct linked from the from http://www.atitd.com pages, not that I can find anyway, and the legal discussion that does exist is so outdated that it still indicates that feature requests are diverted to atitd.info, which has not existed for more than a year now. - MarvL
- As far as I'm concerned this web page itself is documented and proof of an "undesirable behavior" - immaturity. As well as your (Richter) comment made on ENN calling everyone "pathetic" because we were truthfully answering a comment Pharaoh himself asked. Thats just what I've seen. Therefore even if your Act passes AND the exile COULD be accountable, which it shouldn't be (it was done before the act was/would be passed), then even then there is now, thanks to yourself and yourself alone documented evidence, which would make, even by your own standards, the petition to ban you not frivolous. - Atrella
- Thankfully this won't be decided by a few biased players who once again presume to dictate what is and is not acceptable behavior. But once again I remind you all that anything said in the forums and the wiki has no bearing or weight in the game as far as a ban is concerned. Clearly some players have problems differentiating between what happens in game and what happens elsewhere.
- I think Frivolous Bans are prevented by the voters anyway. You have to be monumentally unpopular to get banned by a law. I doubt even Richter has much chance of being banned this way. ~Matk
- This is, I suppose, a good place to answer a question that several people have asked. Should Richter's petition pass and mine not subsequently pass resulting in a situation where his law would then call for me being banned, I will absolutely be returning to Egypt with a new toon. Think of it as a nice way for people to get new Souls and Prophet points from me. I love Egypt too much to leave it, even if that means starting from scratch to do what I consider to be the right thing. ~Lukeera