Conversions at 0 Sun in order of them happening (see below)
| Water* | Oxygen* | Conversion |
| > 79 | Any | 10 Nit -> 3.3 Asc |
| Any | < 49 | 10 Car -> 5 Asc |
| Any | Any | 10 Pot -> 2.5 Bio |
| < 29 | Any | 10 Asc -> 20 Bio |
| Any | > 89 | 10 Pyr -> 10 Bio |
| Any | > 69 | 10 Pot -> 3.3 Car |
| < 39 | Any | 10 Thi -> 20 Car |
| < 59 | Any | 10 Nia -> 30 Fol |
| Any | < 49 | 10 Thi -> 20 Fol |
| Any | Any | 10 Asc -> 20 Nia |
| > 69 | Any | 10 Pyr -> 5 Nia |
| Any | < 39 | 10 Thi -> 10 Nia |
| < 39 | Any | 10 Nit -> 3.3 Pyr |
| Any | > 79 | 10 Fol -> 20 Pyr |
| Any | Any | 10 Asc -> 10 Thi |
| Any | < 49 | 10 Car -> 20 Thi |
| < 49 | Any | 10 Nia -> 5 Thi |
*The table uses the displayed values rather than real ones for H and O. It's easier to keep track of what happens that way
A visual representation of the ranges of the conversions at Sun 0
The Thistle Cycle
Each tick something happens, and you see things change in your thistle garden. Below is our theory on what exactly happens.
- 10 is subtracted from the values for Nit, Pot, H2O and Oxy (the nutrient uptake)
- The program performs all Asc creating conversion that are active this tick. Conversions that happen are determined by 3 things:
- The conversion must not be inactivated this day.
- The water, oxygen and sun levels have to be in the required ranges for the conversion to happen.
- There must be more than 0 of the resource needed by the conversion available at this point of the cycle. Should there be less than 10 of the required resource available, a reaction will happen only partially (ie, if the conversion is 10 Asc-> 20 Nia then 8.3 Asc gives you 16.6 Nia). All conversions seem to require 10 of some kind of resource, and resources can be either Nit, Pot or different vitamins themselves.
- Something being already at it's maximum value don't stop the program from trying to produce more. The conversion will still happen, but the value of what is being created stays at the maximum (99.9) even though the resources are being used up. Also adding the H, P, O or N can never make the value in the garden for these 4 higher than 99,9.
- The program moves on to creating Bio. No more Asc is created this tick, even if some conversions to create it become available through other conversions later on.
- The same thing is performed for all the vitamins. The last one to be created is Thi.
- The order of reactions performed is therefor reactions creating Asc, Bio, Car, Fol, Nia, Pyr & Thi.
- After the program is done with conversions creating Thi, the resulting amounts in the garden are displayed on the next row.
- The whole process takes about 6 seconds
- Everything starts all over again using the data on the new row (a new tick).
More of the current theories and various observations
- Nit and Pot are pure inputs. The only reason the garden uses them for is as resources for certain reactions. You don't need to have them in the correct range in order to make things happen. What you DO need to keep in correct ranges are water and oxygen (and maybe Sun, but it pretty much does it's own thing) (check the tables above).
- There is no way to get rid of Bio (at least at 0 Sun). However, the theory of Asc not created during the night was recently rendered obsolete (see the screenshots below). This was possible due to conversions that remove asc being inactive this day.
- All conversions seem to be following this rule: 10 of one thing -> certain amount of another. I have yet to see a case where the base conversion would be making something out of a different amount than 10.
- All decimals seem to be truncated in order to display them. However, this will only happen for visual purposes, the actual value can still have decimals in it. What it means in practice is that you seem to get 2 Bio out of 10 Pot every odd tick, and 3 Bio every even tick (just an example).
- The conversions seem to depend on either water, oxygen or neither of them but not on both.
- Conditional requirements that are >= 50 are Greater than, requirements that are < 50 are less than. It seems that all of the conditional requirements for each conversion do not exceed 50% of the possible range of the requirements. It is unlikely there will be a conversion that is active over half of the possible range of values for its requirements. There may be an offset issue with the way that we currently report our requirements. If Lose 10 Oxy and Lose 10 H2O happen at the top of the chain, this will fit for the alterations that would be required to move all values in line.
Can we safely say that if A --> N is active, then A --> T will never occur (because never any A left by then)? ~ Shebi
It will occur when either A --> N is voided or Sun is above 19.9 (no idea about the higher sun values, neither of them happen at 99 Sun though). ~Sun-Aj
Chat log about the screenshots below
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