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Value of resources in seconds

this is not a trade list! those values are totally theoretical!

uses

these evaluation can be used to aproximate the value of items relative to one another without acounting for supply/demand.

the other use for this list is to aproximate how many player/hours it takes to complete a project. For example, making 100 linen on a student loom takes about 26.5 hours, for males (just the endurance timer is around 12 hours). So, if you want to build a large obelisk you'll need help and hopefully a hand loom to remove the waste caused by restringing.

In tale 1, I aproximated how much time it would take to build a deep well. without petrolium my aproximation was around a week of work (24 hours a day) , with petrol it takes about 2 days worth. this shows how technology advancement effect the value of goods. In tale 1 Petrolium lowered egypt dependancy on charcoal and since a deep well was fairly automatic the value of petrol was extreamly low yet it was extremely efficiant for smelting (and extremely poluting).

initial version information

this is the initial version of evaluating goods acording to time it take to make them . the values i got may need alot of tuning to be acurate.

I calculated the value of endurance timer second as 0.4 acording to the slate for canvas and firebrick for canvas auctions (mid value +/- 16%) the other timers are just initialized to 0.1 and may be more valued than intended.

I've yet to add wait time to my list. the only place that wait time is sagnificant is when you try to calculate the value of leather mutton and oil (or camel products that i didn't touch yet). I've noticed in the test auction of linen for leather that the value of leather has a very large factor added due to the wait time due to the rarity of sheep . my value asumes that you can produce sheep as fast as you can make onions.

the value of ore is probobly very inacurate since i didn't factor in mine colapse isn't factored in like it was in the tale1 evaluations.

I'll add the excel file too so people who visit this page can play with the numbers

formula

my new model is based on :

• V= value in seconds
• T= time of action
• P= number of products
• D =dependant item value in seconds
• R= number of depedant items needed
• S = self induced markup (like kiln decay for firebricks and multiple products where this value is negative)

the formula is:

V= (T/P + sum(D[i]*R[i]) ) * (1+S)

the way i handle timers is by considering them as resources but estimating their value (usually lower than 1 second per second of timer). the way i calculated Endurance timer is by assuming the exchange rate of tow to flax is 1:10 and got about a value of about 5/12.

the way i calculate flax combing is fairly creative because it put negative values of R on the previous result.

• Tow = (T/P + (RottenFlax*1 + Endurance*90 - Straw*1 ) )*(1+0) = ~39.22
• Lint= (T/P + (RottenFlax*1 + Endurance*135 - tow*1 ) )*(1+0) = ~21.185

tables of values

I turned the excel file into a more database friendly syntax (which will be my next step)

data values (dependancies are now seprate)

name	value	time	products	overHead	dep cost
board	3.7	0.5	1	0	3.2
brick	0.71	1	6	0	0.54
canvas	1200	1	1	0	1200
charcoal	3.45	180	200	0	2.55
clay	0.51	1	1	-0.5	0.02
copper ore	1.14	1	7	0	1
endurance	0.4	4	10	0	0
firebrick	1.67	1	6	0.33	1.08
fish	3.33	10	3	0	0
flax	4.01	120	40	0	1.01
flax seed	2	2	1	0	0
flint	10	20	1	-0.5	0
focus	0.1	10	100	0	0
grass	1.6	3600	2250	0	0
grass(base)	2.4	3600	1500	0	0
grilled fish	18.4	1	20	0	18.3
hackling rake	259	5	1	0	254
iron	27	3	7	0	26.5
iron ore	1.14	1	7	0	1
jug	2.15	1	12	0	2.07
leather	19	1	2	-0.35	28.7
linen	901	1	1	0	900
lint	18	1	10	0	17.9
mud	0	1	500	0	0
mutton	2.12	1	6	-0.78	9.6
nails	2.7	2	12	0	2.53
oil	0.76	1	10	-0.87	5.74
onion	1.79	120	70	0	0.08
preception	0.1	10	100	0	0
rotten flax	4.01	1	1000	0	4.01
sand	0	1	500	0	0
sharpend stick	6.5	2	1	0	4.5
sheep	57.4	0	1	0	57.4
silt	0.2	2	10	0	0
slate	8	3600	450	0	0
stone blade	17	1	1	0	16
straw	1.62	4	200	0	1.6
strength	0.1	10	100	0	0
thread	1.2	2	1500	0	1.2
tinder	6.5	2	1	0	4.5
tow	38.8	1	10	0	38.7
tow(2end)	37.6	1	10	0	37.5
twine	12.9	2	300	0	12.9
water	0.02	2	100	0	0
wet firebrick	0.33	1	6	0	0.17
wet jug	1.51	1	1	0	0.51
wood	1.5	60	40	0	0

dependancies

name	depend_name	ratio	value
board	stone blade	0.1	1.7
board	wood	1	1.5
brick	mud	0.5	1.00E-3
brick	sand	0.167	3.33E-4
brick	straw	0.333	0.54
canvas	endurance	80	32
canvas	twine	90	1163.07
charcoal	wood	1.7	2.55
clay	water	1	0.02
copper ore	preception	5	0.5
copper ore	strength	5	0.5
firebrick	wet firebrick	1	0.334
firebrick	wood	0.5	0.75
flax	flax seed	0.5	1
flax	water	0.5	0.01
grilled fish	fish	1	3.333
grilled fish	wood	10	15
hackling rake	board	18	66.6
hackling rake	brick	36	25.488
hackling rake	nails	60	162
iron	charcoal	3.286	11.336
iron	iron ore	13.286	15.186
iron ore	preception	5	0.5
iron ore	strength	5	0.5
jug	firebrick	0.333	0.556
jug	wet jug	1	1.51
leather	sheep	0.5	28.704
linen	endurance	80	32
linen	thread	400	480.4
linen	twine	30	387.69
lint	endurance	135	54
lint	hackling rake	1.00e-3	0.259
lint	rotten flax	1	4.011
lint	straw	-1	-1.62
lint	tow	-1	-38.75
mutton	sheep	0.167	9.568
nails	charcoal	0.083	0.288
nails	iron	0.083	2.246
oil	sheep	0.1	5.741
onion	water	4	0.08
rotten flax	flax	1	4.01
sharpend stick	focus	30	3
sharpend stick	wood	1	1.5
sheep	onion	32	57.408
stone blade	slate	2	16
straw	grass	1	1.6
thread	lint	0.067	1.2
tinder	focus	30	3
tinder	wood	1	1.5
tow	endurance	90	36
tow	hackling rake	1.00e-3	0.259
tow	rotten flax	1	4.011
tow	straw	-1	-1.62
tow(2end)	endurance	70	28
tow(2end)	grilled fish	0.389	7.149
tow(2end)	rotten flax	1	4.011
tow(2end)	straw	-1	-1.62
twine	tow	0.333	12.917
wet firebrick	sand	0.167	3.33E-4
wet firebrick	silt	0.833	0.167
wet jug	clay	1	0.51