This is a page under progress, based on Qetesh's stresses and hybrids, and lots of discussion and data from the [Ra's Garden of Eden]
? flower guild. Additional information from Megrez' crossbreeding.
Sandbloom Traits
- Sizes:
- normal from basics
- dwarf from a (LEM / SAC) x (SAC / LEM) cross (looks like dwarf gene set is on Lemondrop? - Q)
- giant from a (SAC / SUN) x (SUN / SAC) cross; also from (LEM / SAC) x (SAC / SUN)
- giantx2 (starscream119- stress of 1st giant cross above)
- Colors:
- black - Corona center
- three shades of yellow (pale, medium, bright) (petals, center and ring) - Sunshine and Lemon Drop
- one shade of silver/gunmetal (petals, center and ring) - Sacrifice (looks like base Sandbloom color)
- light purple/lavender
- petals - (Megrez83), 1st generation from Sac/Sun mix; Qetesh - 2nd gen Sac/Sun x Sun/Sac backcross.
- center - (Megrez57), 2nd generation from purple/blue petal mix
- ring - (Inu)
- cyan
- petals: Megrez, 1st generation from Sun/Sac and LD/Sac mix (common)
- center: (Bakt, Megrez82)
- ring: (silvermouse31?)
- dark blue (center): (Tumaini, Megrez84)
- light green
- petals: (Dragyn335, Megrez, Ubasti#50)
- ring - Ubasti#67
- pale green (light green -1Y)
- orange (brown?)
- petals (silvermouse20, Megrez58 - 2nd generation from blue/purple petal mix)
- ring and center - (starscream124, 2nd generation, includes corona in 1st generation, actually looks like two different orange colors)
- red-violet
- pink center (Megrez83, Ubasti#67, silvermouse47, Qetesh - 1st gen, need to look up pedigree)
- dark cyan center (Megrez)
- dark gray center (Megrez)
- slate blue(?) center - (Inu92)
- purple(?) ring - (Inu92)
- olive(?) center: (silvermouse35)
* color numbers in progress
Sandbloom Genomes
Type | Genome | Length | Center | Ring | North | South | East | West |
Corona | C*xM*xY*xC*xM*xY*xC*xM*xY*xC*xM*xY* | 35 | K | S | S | S | S | S |
Lemon Drop | YoxYoxYoxYixYixYix | 18 | S | S | S | Y3 | Y3 | S |
Sacrifice | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | ? | S | S | S | S | S | S |
Sunshine | *Y*Y*YiYiYoYo | 13 | Y2 | Y3 | Y2 | Y2 | Y2 | Y1 |
Cookie Jar | ? | ? | S | S | Y2 | dkG | Y2 | Y2 |
- The nomenclature used above is color (C=cyan, M=magenta, Y=yellow) and an associated position (*=center, i=inner, o=outer). For a base with no apparent expression I use x=unknown. So far I've concluded from stressing that there are complementary pairs of color and position. The ring and core are the reverse of each other, as are the inner petals and the outer petals. Where H is substituted for the hue (C, M or Y) the genes follow the current nomenclature as such:
gene | Megrez | Qetesh |
H* | core | IC |
*H | ring | OC |
Hi | north | IP1 |
iH | south | IP2 |
Ho | east | OP1 |
oH | west | OP2 |
- Yellow1 is pale
- Yellow2 is the predominant color on Sunshine
- Yellow3 is the bold yellow in LemonDrop
- The Sunshine genome is based on work with crosses (SunxSac) to find break points. Still waiting for Qetesh to post the stress confirmation.
- The Corona genome is extrapolated from Qetesh's stresses, this assumes that there is a 4x pigment for each color.
- If the length of the Corona gene is correct, that's a good way to length the resulting genome of any flower.
- Interesting note on the above designed Corona and Lemon Drop genomes: what is x? if x were a color then *Color would show up in the ring. On the other hand, if it were a position, then we'd see colors in the petals. Neither happens, so there needs to be at least one more base.
Misc Notes
Megrez: My reference for sandbloom parts are Center/Core, Ring (both obvious), and the inner petal sets containing the north petal (12 o'clock), south petal (6 o'clock), and the outer petal sets containing the east petal (3 o'clock) and west petal (9 o'clock). For comparison, Qetesh uses Inner Center (Core), Outer Center (Ring), Inner Petal 1 (North), Outer Petal 1 (East), Inner Petal 2 (South), Outer Petal 2 (West).
The Sacrifice genome is monotonic, stresses up to 14 in each direction showed no differentiation.
Megrez: From second giant cross noted above, the results were silver core, ring and inner petals, gold (east) and pale green (west) outer petals. Stressing once in each direction gave an additional yellow to the green petals, stressing 2 left kept the stronger green but 2 right was pale green. A third stress to the right caused the sandbloom to become normal sized which suggests either the gene for giantism is large, the whole genome was extremely truncated, or that the plant may require more than one gene expression for giantism. More research is continuing.
Qetesh: You think so? It sounds like the gene was just righthanded, something like the red dwarf genome. Have you stressed 3 left as well?
Megrez: This flower (Megrez#66) was stressed from L15 to R6. L15 and R3-5 are all broken giant. Those results are now on my results page. The genome should look something like: (LemonDrop left) (+ possible bits of Sacrifice) (Sunshine right)
Another tack I was taking was trying to determine where the genes fall off the end from crossing to figure out the ordering. Here are the preliminary results of those Sandbloom Crosses.
Should we put some sort of diagram up illustrating the nomenclature? I know exactly what everything refers to and I still get confused and don't remember the directions (which is why I numbered them clockwise, maybe numbering them petal sets 1,2,3,4 is better?). - Qetesh
Yeah, that'd be good, but I don't have access to an image editor. I can always program a rose compass plot and add text, but probably easier to use Photoshop if available.
--Megrez
Yep, I'll do that after Lily panels are done (soon). I'm going to keep stressing corona, etc until it fully repeats. - Q
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