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This is a straight snip of the information that was at the bottom of the flavor page. Didn't want to delete anything, but I've moved here in the interest of making the flavor page easier to read. =) ~Calixes

Flavors aren't on a 64x64 coordinate grid, despite early speculation that this was the case. Look at the data from Calixes' study - pay particular attention to the figure.

• I'm not sure this is this case - or if it is, the grid is not centered on 0,0. I have a east-west line of vineyards where the flavor changes from Ethanol to Hazelnut at roughly 1123. - Gardiner
  
  • Flavours do change in 64 coord sqs . Here is a link to my flavour map arround Friends of Mihe as evidence. FlavourGrid. The black dots with letters in are where I have 12 vinyads, 3 in each flavour square. I think its highly likely that the flavour area you are in is neither Ethonol or Hazelnut but a flavour that is not recognised at the vintage you are tasting the wine. Your flavour change at 1123 is excelent evidence that when a flavour is unrecognisable it picks up the flavour of the nearest neighbouring region - the center of your 64 coord square would be 1120. -Teper-
    
• I'm not sure what you folks mean by a "64 coord flavor grid". I have found at least nine different flavors of grape within one 64x64 coord square. - Kal.
  • Can you post which flavors and their coords? -Bart
    • Sort of. Look at MFWine, which is an old "flavor map" for our camp. The big square overlaying things is almost exactly 64 coords from E-W, and a little shorter N-S. No matter how you arrange 64-coord grids, there would be multiple flavors in each grid. I've picked up a few more flavors since then (to replace the "t"hin markers), but they're not listed. - Kal
    • In addition, many "flavor patches" exist that aren't square, or even rectangular. - Kal
    • I would say that you hav`nt found the area flavour yet and your wine is picking up flavour from the surrounding regions. You have 8 secondary tastes in your square and 8 surrounding squrares. If the actual area flavour is strawberry jam for example you wont taste it untill your wine is 6 vintages old and then all your wine will be overflowing strawberry jam with the other flavours showing as bursting, hint, aramoa etc. -Teper-
      • If that's the case, then how did you deduce that some of your grids are, say, "Bell Pepper", when the 'real' flavor may be Strawberry Jam, and it just hasn't come out yet? More to the point, what method did you use to deduce the 'primary flavor' of each grid?

• Phoenixwcu reported four flavors in one 64x64 grid. butterscoth 1259, 7068. hazelnut 1256 ,7065. peach 1254, 7066. coffee 1238, 7047. Dont have much information beyond that. But they are all within one grid - Bart

The secondary and minor flavours appear to come from the neighbouring areas.

I would guess that "Stemmy" doesn't belong in the Secondary Tastes category. None of the other secondary tastes are adjectives - Kal.
If you use lower quality glasses on a stemmy wine you will also get freshness and vegetables so it must belong in secondary taste (unless theres a further taste catagory we dont know of yet)-Teper- So it would seem, now that we have better glasses :) - Kal

I got Sulfur at a 6-vintage flavor (!). I don't know if it's second or third tier - the flavor wheel implies second tier, but I only had one bottle. Next vintage I will have 12 bottles of this to test, and hopefully we can find out. Update: It's Burnt Matchs (sic) - Daetrin

If you have a theory and wish it tested, state the theory concisely. The vague theorizing I read here in no way meshes with my data to date. -Imradan

I get wordy when I'm thinking with my fingers. But try out the [Pestnu theory]?. See what you think. - S-P

Ping once showed me his vineyard field and he had several vineyards within 2 coords of each other that would have varying flavours... some were slightly similar, but there was more different flavours there to bust the theory that there are 64x64 flavour "grids." What he described is that there are flavour blobs of varying size and shapes that can overlap each other. Some are very large, possibly as big as 64x64 which give the impression that there are grids. The vineyards that are surrounding the Grapes of Wrath hall varey with some being linalool, some being linalool/mercaptan, and some being grapefruit/linalool. These varey inside the 4 vineyard grids that we surrounded around a coordinate where both numbers were divisable by 64 so that busts the theory that there are grids. Another interesting find was that on one coordinate where 4 vineyards were grown one of the vineyards had the same flavours but in different order and the order and intensities of the flavours were the same in each wine regardless how the vine was tended.

More data after further tests showed that flavour orders and intensities does not change regardless whether the vineyard is rebuilt or whether different vine cuts or tending methods are used. - Tigerlily

Made a line of 100 vineyards 10 coordinates apart stretching from 702,4600 south to 702,3610. Have not seen any flavors which exist in more than 3 vineyards in a row. Data HERE. ~Matk