Only available from UThoughts that have the research complete. Not available on UThought that does not have research complete
Good place to test Alchemy Alignments are the Conflict Arenas
Once you've attuned, find someone else who is attuned to the same thing. Stand alone together (acro distance is good) and go to your Special menu. There'll be an option to test your alignment. You can get several results.
Vision is confused: You two don't align for that particular item, but you may for others.
Vision is fleeting: You need more alchemists in your group to get the vision (but the current group is aligned)
Need to be more solitary: Too many people nearby
Because you can tell whether you're aligned with at least one person, it's possible to do an acro-line sort of thing, each person going through the line til you get aligned groups. We did this with fair to excellent success at the Karnak UThought, on the 28th of January. -Sedelyan
There are 7 groups in each alignment (except the 2 person ones they run to 14), being with a person in 1 group doesn't mean your in another with him/her -Neouni
Topaz, Ruby, Quartz: 2 people
Emerald, Sapphire, Ash: 3 people
Limestone: 4 people
Diamond, Tin Ore: 5 people
Once you've successfully had the vision (with the correct number of people) you are able to go to your Chemistry Laboratory and you'll find an alchemy menu there. You put in the starting items (i.e. 7 large rubies, or 49 limestone or whatever), and then you'll be given (what appears to be) a 3 length Tincture Compound that you have to infuse the bench with to cause the reaction to happen.
This compound changes each time that you try, and is apparently selected by a 'tincture generator' that Teppy coded for this tale.
Kenhotep stated in IRC that "it will not give you an impossible tincture". Sedelyan hypothesised that it actually builds a tincture of a known length, and then reduces it to get to length three. It's currently as good as any other idea out there...
This is not true, my second requirement was EkPzPz - each of these ends in either 12 or 13 and we currently don't have any basic tinctures for those values - Zotep
Have to agree with Zotep, just got FaPnPz as a requirement - Amnhotep (07/31/2008)
Here is the tincture table, summarized:
Sun | Stars | Moon | |
9 Af 17 | 6 Salt Water Fungus | 5 Iron Ore | 1 Petroleum |
-6 Bn 17 | 7 Dates | 4 Lead Ore | 1 Crushed Egg Shells |
-15 Bt -9 | 5 Chicken Meat | 3 Iron Ore | 1 White Sand |
-19 Cn -1 | 7 Onions | 7 Iron Ore | 4 Crushed Egg Shells |
-18 Cp 9 | 4 Oxyrynchus Fish | 7 Lithium Ore | 4 Charcoal |
-7 Di 20 | 7 Slave's Bread Mushrooms | 2 Gold Ore | 6 Silt |
-18 Dm -6 | 6 Iron Knot Mushrooms | 2 Zinc Ore | 3 Coal |
-6 Ek 13 | 5 Onions | 4 Lead Ore | 4 Sulfur |
-10 Fa 12 | 7 Carrots | 2 Tin Ore | 6 White Sand |
-20 Fd -18 | 4 Colt's Foot Mushrooms | 4 Aluminum Ore | 5 Saltpeter |
-7 Fy 12 | 5 Cat Nip Mushrooms | 2 Red Sand | 6 Silt |
-20 Gb -17 | 5 Honey | 6 Lithium Ore | 3 Crushed Eggshells |
-4 Gs 18 | 7 Onions | 7 Aluminium Ore | 3 Silt |
9 Gu 15 | 5 Nature Jug Mushrooms | 7 Red Sand | 7 Charchoal |
-7 Hd 4 | 1 Camel Milk | 5 Lithium Ore | 4 Bauxite |
-20 Hp -5 | 5 Catfish | 6 Aluminium Ore | 4 Petroleum |
-18 Hr -16 | 4 Sand Spore Mushrooms | 1 Lead Ore | 3 Sulfur |
-15 Hu -9 | 2 Iron Knot Mushrooms | 4 Gold Ore | 2 Coal |
-20 Hy -6 | 1 Oxyrynchus Fish | 7 Copper Ore | 3 Saltpeter |
-9 Ib 7 | 7 Catfish | 1 Tin Ore | 5 Saltpeter |
-16 Ig 13 | 2 Slave's Bread Mushrooms | 5 Zinc Ore | 7 Bauxite |
2 Il 18 | 6 Carp Fish | 1 Copper Ore | 2 Saltpeter |
9 Ot 14 | 2 Abdju Fish | 7 Zinc Ore | 2 Sulfur |
1 Ov 7 | 7 Iron Knot Mushrooms | 6 Aluminium Ore | 4 White Sand |
-20 Pn 12 | 7 Camel Milk | 3 Red Sand | 1 Petroleum |
-10 Py 7 | 2 Oxyrynchus Fish | 3 Red Sand | 7 Saltpeter |
-17 Pz 12 | 5 Dung Rot Mushrooms | 3 Copper Ore | 3 White Sand |
-18 Qr 2 | 1 Earth Light Mushroom | 6 Lithium Ore | 5 Sulfur |
10 Rd 10 | 4 Dung Rot Mushroom | 6 Copper Ore | 3 Charcoal |
-18 Rv 1 | 1 Carp Fish | 1 Lead Ore | 5 Petroleum |
Each Basic Tincture has a set of two numbers associated with it. To make a successful reaction between two tinctures you need to have either of the two numbers from the two you're combining add up to -1, 0 or 1. This will cancel out the two numbers that reacted and leave the other two behind, allowing you to make chains of compounds. Here is an ordered list of the tincture numbers discovered thus far:
- + Cn 1 Ov, Rv 2 Il, Qr 3 Gs 4 Hd Hp 5 Bn, Dm, Ek, Hy 6 Di, Fy, Hd 7 Ib, Ov, Py 8 Bt, Hu, Ib 9 Af, Cp, Gu, Ot Fa, Py 10 Rd, Rd (Rd gives same for both sides!) 11 12 Fa, Fy, Pn, Pz 13 Ek, Ig 14 Ot Bt, Hu 15 Gu Hr, Ig 16 Gb, Pz 17 Af, Bn Cp, Dm, Fd, Hr, Qr, Rv 18 Gs, Il Cn 19 Fd, Gb, Hp, Hy, Pn 20 Di
A color coded version
A graphical version without Af, Fy, and Hr. Any tincture can be entered and left using different colored lines except Rd which can be entered at left on any line. Bt and Hu react the same, they are interchangeable. Same goes for Ib and Py. Bt/Hu and Gu, Ot can be looped through, same for Cn and Il.
Look at the Basic Tincture page for specifics. This chart just tells you what will react with what without using reducing agent. Krakos
Bonding Gotcha - If you have adjusted a tincture through bonding and reduction to alter the default bonds, if you add another of the same type to the table, all bonds are reset to default. E.g. I had an (-18)Hr(17) on the table, which I needed to make into HrHr. I added a second Hr to the table and ended up with two (-18)Hr(-16) on the table instead of the bonded pair I expected. Prel
[Aberdon's_Alchemy_Assistant] - Just type in your 3 tinctures and you will be presented with possible solutions.
If you want to mix up a bunch of tinctures (100 each) to start a career as an alchemist, you will need 420 grain spirts of water (or better) and the following resources:
There are two ways to use Reducing Agent. You can either sprinkle it on top, which reduces the quantity of every tincture on your alchemy bench by 1, or you can 'inject it from the bottom', in which case it removes one of the tinctures already in (one of) the chain(s) on your bench.
If you have more than one compound tincture on your bench at the time you use the reducing agent, one is chosen (at random, I believe).
The actual tincture removed from you compound is one of two, and varies with length of the compound.
The table below shows in bold the possible tinctures that can be removed from given compound lengths (Thanks to Gumby for this information).
Compound Length | Potentially Removed |
1 | 1 |
2 | 12 |
3 | 123 |
4 | 1234 |
5 | 12345 |
6 | 123456 |
7 | 1234567 |
8 | 12345678 |
Although less relevant now that we're not scrying specific formulae for tasks, the following symbols were used in the description of Tale 1 Alchemy, and make come up again this tale. This is not an attempt to recreate the Tale 1 system, just a pointer for people new to the system.
They'll be more of these I'd assume, wasn't a T1 alchemist so not sure. Please add more if you're aware of them. Prel
First telling alchemy was based on making a zillion copies of a few simple compounds. As such, the standard notation used then was meant for formulas for simple compounds, and didn't fit the methods for making harder compounds. Besides, finding and writing down a formula for a particular compound doesn't make sense if you only need one copy of it. -Quizzical
Fair point, well made. Just that I know I've had conversations with at least one person regarding making compounds in T3 that have included the ! symbol. I thought I'd share this information for clarity. I agree however, that it's much less likely we'll have compound creation on the wiki, since it's somewhat meaningless now. Prel
Under the provision, of course, that they don't ever repeat. However, they may still be good for example documentation and trying to compare methods. -Sedelyan
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Name | Creator | Date | Size | Description |
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Semi-Graph.png | sumtet | August 8, 2007 3:45 pm | 41514 | Graph of tincture relationships without Af, Fy, Hr |
TinctureSearch.py | EldradUlthran | July 3, 2007 7:07 pm | 3014 | Prints out a minimal path for each possible connection between three tinctures |
tincturemap.jpg | Kiyye | June 11, 2007 10:38 am | 106422 | a color coded version of the "ladder" chart |
tincturemap.psd | Kiyye | June 11, 2007 10:39 am | 289773 | undocumented photoshop file that was used to create the color coded ladder chart, if you wish to change the colors on it |
tinctures.txt | EldradUlthran | May 23, 2007 9:43 pm | 1579 | a text copy of tinctures (needed in the same directory to run TinctureSearch.py) |